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. >> por primera vez en 600 años un papa saliente no va a la tumba, joseph ratzinger se ira a castel gandolfo y no se concrecatarán los 9 días de luto luego de una muerte de un papa y las especulaciones dicen que para mediados de marzo, los cardenales electores podrían estar votando y que para mediados de la pascua estarían ya con un nuevo papa. >> en esta casa que por un lado parece tener tres pidos, pero de lado muestra que tiene cuatro y es una casa en los jardines del vaticano, el monasterio es una casa que el papa visita con frecuencia, y ahora lo curiosos es que la santa sede dijo que la renuncia fue sorpresiva y la duda se asoma cuando este martes se sabe que esta casa lleva meses con renovación del retiro del papa en mente, esas imágenes dan cuenta de los trabajos de construcción que se hacían ahí. >> la mayoría serían los votantes, vamos con el responsal para ver qué cambios habrían. >> este selecto grupo de hombres de 48 países se reunirán para elegir al nuevo papa. >> se piensa que sea todo espiritual. >> pero el profesor de religión dice que la votación n
. >> por primera vez en 600 años un papa saliente no va a la tumba, joseph ratzinger se ira a castel gandolfo y no se concrecatarán los 9 días de luto luego de una muerte de un papa y las especulaciones dicen que para mediados de marzo, los cardenales electores podrían estar votando y que para mediados de la pascua estarían ya con un nuevo papa. >> en esta casa que por un lado parece tener tres pidos, pero de lado muestra que tiene cuatro y es una casa en los jardines del...
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. >> joseph ratzinger confía que su renuncia no perjudirá a la iglesia. >> deben pasar entre 15 y 20 días para este proceso y podemos esperar que comience cualquier día. >> amanece una nueva era para el catolicimos y reconocer su limitación como él mismo hizo al renunciar. >> si no puede con el cargo, mejor renunciar a tiempo. >> para ir metiéndose en clima, los cardenales comenzaron con las rondas. >> el 27 de febrero es la última audiencia pública. >> regresamos a los estudios. >> tuve la oportunidad de conversar con el cardenal lozano y él dijo que papa benedicto xvi sí hizo todo lo posible para aplicar la ley a sacerdotes pederastas y dijo que había enviado a ninguno a la cárcel. >> yo puedo acusar a cualquier de ser el bandido número uno del mundo y tengo que probarlo y no hay por qué proceder. >> pero usted sabe que él estuvo al tanto de todo. >> usted está prejuiciando y así no nos entendemos. >> usted sabe cual es el porcentaje de pedófilos, lo ha comparado con el porcentaje de los padres de familia que hacen lo mismo. >> ¿qué ha hecho para enfrentar a los
. >> joseph ratzinger confía que su renuncia no perjudirá a la iglesia. >> deben pasar entre 15 y 20 días para este proceso y podemos esperar que comience cualquier día. >> amanece una nueva era para el catolicimos y reconocer su limitación como él mismo hizo al renunciar. >> si no puede con el cargo, mejor renunciar a tiempo. >> para ir metiéndose en clima, los cardenales comenzaron con las rondas. >> el 27 de febrero es la última audiencia pública....
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as archbishop of munich benedict then cardinal rather than joseph ratzenberger i clearly meant joseph ratzinger not john ratzenberger tv's cliff clavin from the show "cheers." some of my critics took this small error as an opportunity to discount my entire argument. and if misprow announcing something is the new precedent for discrediting an argument, perhaps this will finer finally shut up all of the those neo-cons who couldn't wait to invade iraq. >> tonight i'm announceing a, we can fix this. and we will. the american people demand it, and so does our democracy. >> john: that was the sound of john boehner not clapping. who could ever disagree with that. let's go back to the end of that sound bite? mm-hmm that's vice president joe biden standing to applaud and as i mentioned there is house speaker john boehner remaining seated, not clapping anand looking completely miserable. i wonder why that may be. here to join us is ari berman, contributing writer to the nation. who just wrote a brilliant piece titled "why are conservatives trying to destroy the voting rights act." it appears on
as archbishop of munich benedict then cardinal rather than joseph ratzenberger i clearly meant joseph ratzinger not john ratzenberger tv's cliff clavin from the show "cheers." some of my critics took this small error as an opportunity to discount my entire argument. and if misprow announcing something is the new precedent for discrediting an argument, perhaps this will finer finally shut up all of the those neo-cons who couldn't wait to invade iraq. >> tonight i'm announceing a,...
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y es un discÍpulo de joseph ratzinger. y todos los pequeÑos gestos hoy en dÍa son interpretados como una posible apoyo de parte del papÁ, y el papa se quiso quitar del medio. >>> hay un extraÑo silencio en la plaza. >>> es como una ausencia, ya los apartamentos de un papÁ. >>> y la noche que comienza a penetrar con sus sombras ya en este lugar. >>> marÍa elena salinas. >>> gracias, jorge. y estÁ conmigo en el estudio daniel Álvarez, teologo de la universidad de la florida, vemos ya un adiÓs a benedicto xvi pero muchos se preguntar el legado que deja benedicto xvi. es un legado no solamente de su papado, durante los 25 aÑos lideres de la congresaciÓn para la doctrina de la fe. >>> voy a empezar con estas palabras, el llanto de las vÍctimas pide justicia, y la pregunta que benedicto xvi tendrÁ que responder quÉ complicidad el tuvo o de silencio o participaciÓn en obstruir que la justicia se hiciera para estas vÍctimas, viviÓ muchos aÑos ahÍ. y la renuncia no es suficiente, el prÓximo papa se tiene que enf
y es un discÍpulo de joseph ratzinger. y todos los pequeÑos gestos hoy en dÍa son interpretados como una posible apoyo de parte del papÁ, y el papa se quiso quitar del medio. >>> hay un extraÑo silencio en la plaza. >>> es como una ausencia, ya los apartamentos de un papÁ. >>> y la noche que comienza a penetrar con sus sombras ya en este lugar. >>> marÍa elena salinas. >>> gracias, jorge. y estÁ conmigo en el estudio daniel Álvarez, teologo...
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. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th and march 20th. there is talk of moving that date up. all of the cardinals are expected to be here on february 28th. alex, back to you. >>> anne thompson, thank you. the blame game on tsequestratio. the new york times says those will cut 14,000 teachers and employees. and 250,000 civilians employed by the army could be furloughed for up to 22 days. aircraft would forego maintenance. >> it's the president who proposed this sequester. is the house with smarter cuts in other areas of government. >> the fact is this was never the president's idea. this was the result of hostage politics in the re
. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th...
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friends who worked with then cardinal joseph ratzinger in the vatican knew that but prior to that no one knew. popes don't face the same pressure to reveal medical records ads presidents or presidential candidates and i would suggest that today's revelation may well add some pressure that some cardinals are already feeling to be more concerned about potential health problems of men that may be considering to succeed benedict xvi. >> john allen reporting live from the vatican. >>> today in chicago two gang members are due in court charged with the murder that has become a keystone in the national debate over gun violence. they're accused of shooting 15-year-old honor student hadiya pendleton days after she performed at a lunch in washington during inauguration week. she died a mile from her chicago home. >> michael ward has confessed and indicated that has ddiya wa not the intended target. in fact the offenders had it all wrong. they thought the group they shot into included members of a rival gang. instead it was a group of upstanding, determined kids, like hadiya, were repulsed by t
friends who worked with then cardinal joseph ratzinger in the vatican knew that but prior to that no one knew. popes don't face the same pressure to reveal medical records ads presidents or presidential candidates and i would suggest that today's revelation may well add some pressure that some cardinals are already feeling to be more concerned about potential health problems of men that may be considering to succeed benedict xvi. >> john allen reporting live from the vatican. >>>...
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so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the grounds of vatican city for the last time as the head of the roman catholic church. and liz lev, as our historian, give us some historical perspective and what you're seeing as you see this, as someone who has been so close to the vatican and lived ed id ino longe? >> i'm looking at this courtyard, which has had so many different events take place
so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the grounds of vatican city for the last time as the head of the roman catholic church. and liz lev, as our historian, give us some historical perspective and what you're seeing as you see this, as someone who has been so close to the vatican and lived ed id ino longe? >> i'm looking at this courtyard, which...
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pope benedict xvi was born joseph ratzinger in 1927 in germany. he became a cardinal in 1977 and was chief theological adviser to pope john paul ii. following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new here, wolf. and i think that's part of the reason this came as a surprise to so many people. certainly we know his age, 85 years old, and as a physician there's all sorts of different things that you certainly worry about. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke. he had a hemorrhage in his brain they think back in 1991 that may have been due to a stroke. but a long time ago, and there was no evidence of anyth
pope benedict xvi was born joseph ratzinger in 1927 in germany. he became a cardinal in 1977 and was chief theological adviser to pope john paul ii. following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical...
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and cardinal joseph ratzinger and pope benedict xvi. >> bret: it was a surprise. coac.pope benedict xvi will resn february 28. that will start a conclave to make new pope in rome sometime before easter. here is the letter from pope benedict said. the resignation letter. in today's world, stout so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance of the life of faith in order to govern the bark of st. peter and proclaim the gospel, strength of mind and body are necessary. strength in the last few months deteriorated in me to the extent i have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me. for this reason, and well aware of the seriousness of this act, with full freedom i declare i renounce the ministry of bishop of rome. successor of st. peter and entrusted to me by the cardinals on 19 april, 2005. amazing. welcome in a special panel to talk about the resignation. kathryn lopez with national review online. she talked to the pope last fall. david kerr is the correspondent with ewtn, global catholic media network in the
and cardinal joseph ratzinger and pope benedict xvi. >> bret: it was a surprise. coac.pope benedict xvi will resn february 28. that will start a conclave to make new pope in rome sometime before easter. here is the letter from pope benedict said. the resignation letter. in today's world, stout so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance of the life of faith in order to govern the bark of st. peter and proclaim the gospel, strength of mind and body are necessary....
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that's a great act of service to the church, and it's a great expression of the character of joseph ratzinger. >> kathy, let me go to you on this. what was your first reaction when you heard about this today? were you surprised? there's a lot of rumors around new york, by the way, that cardinal egan had been working on this for awhile and it had been kept silent but not entirely. were you shocked at this? what was your first reaction? >> absolutely shocked. thought it was a farce. had to look it up five times to see it was real. it's sad. really sad. i love this pope. there's so much love for this pope. and even though he's still going to be with us, it's really like a mourning of him, i think. some of us are experiencing. but i like what you said about humility. when we look at john paul ii's end, many people came away with his public suffering and death as thinking he's teaching us how to die. and now look at this pope. he's teaching us how to be humble. i think it's a beautiful lesson from pope benedict. >> george, it's a complicated question. but in a word as briefly as you can, how do yo
that's a great act of service to the church, and it's a great expression of the character of joseph ratzinger. >> kathy, let me go to you on this. what was your first reaction when you heard about this today? were you surprised? there's a lot of rumors around new york, by the way, that cardinal egan had been working on this for awhile and it had been kept silent but not entirely. were you shocked at this? what was your first reaction? >> absolutely shocked. thought it was a farce....
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they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. here he is. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in the catholic church. on the one hand, the church teaches that the condition of same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, those are ratzinger's own words from 1986, and yet we know that actually about half if not more of all the people attracted into seminaries and the priesthood are gay themselves. >> ratzinger is pope benedict. is this true? >> i think you have to step back for a second, erin. this is hardly a news flash. father donald cousins wrote about this 20 years ago. father andrew greeley coined the phrase lavender mafia talking about a subculture within the catholic church. but ba
they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. here he is. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in...
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take his old name, joseph ratzinger. will he be able to counsel the next pope? >> well, if the next pope would like it, i'm sure he could. however, if -- some people have suggested, wait a minute. you're going to have two popes at work. that's not true. the pope is retiring because he wants to retire. if he wanted to have influence on the church still, he would stay as pope. i would expect very much -- the fact he's going to a monastery -- will be living in a monastery is significant. he wants a quiet life of study and of prayer. if the new pope wants to ask his counsel, he's clearly going to give it. but he's not going to go -- he's not going to be there looking to try to influence the next pope. >> and the new -- the cardinals will be meeting right after the pope resigns on february 28th at 8:00 p.m. will the deliberations about the next pope begin immediately? >> they could begin. we'll find out that in the next few days. they could technically begin as early as the day after, as early as march 1st. but you have to remember, it's never the conclave, which beg
take his old name, joseph ratzinger. will he be able to counsel the next pope? >> well, if the next pope would like it, i'm sure he could. however, if -- some people have suggested, wait a minute. you're going to have two popes at work. that's not true. the pope is retiring because he wants to retire. if he wanted to have influence on the church still, he would stay as pope. i would expect very much -- the fact he's going to a monastery -- will be living in a monastery is significant. he...
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i think benedict, joseph ratzinger wanted to be pope last team. he planned to do it. he gave a mark anthony speech. we all heard it during the funeral, which we covered last time. it looks to me like basically he has a 67 voters, majority of voters, in the college of cardinals that he has appointed personally. i think they'll be watching who he wants. if he wants this fellow skoela, he is going to get him. >> it's not the ora of the papacy itself, and you, i think rightfully so, say that the decision could open up a period of soul-searching in the catholic church has, in fact, badly needed. >> right. that point about the most modern thing he did is a quote from michael sean winters, a very smart watcher and student of the catholic church. you know, i was listening to chris, and i think he has the politics broadly right, but this is kind of macciavelli versus the holy spirit here. >> which one? >> exactly. >> i don't represent the holy spirit. i just want to say those are the two views. because he is right. skola is the favorite going in, and the question is are all th
i think benedict, joseph ratzinger wanted to be pope last team. he planned to do it. he gave a mark anthony speech. we all heard it during the funeral, which we covered last time. it looks to me like basically he has a 67 voters, majority of voters, in the college of cardinals that he has appointed personally. i think they'll be watching who he wants. if he wants this fellow skoela, he is going to get him. >> it's not the ora of the papacy itself, and you, i think rightfully so, say that...
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. >> and lord, joseph, roman catholic church, cardinal ratzinger. ratzinger. >> oh, back now to more recent images and it's clear that the pope, vatican leader has taken a toll on him physically and such a incredibly demanding position, he insists that the decision to step down was made without any outside pressure. greg palkot is outside london with the latest. >> reporter: it was a big surprise to a lot of people. pope benedict xvi saying he will step down on february 28th, less than eight years into the papacy and he went on to say that specifically his strength was deteriorating in the last few months and that's why he made the decision. according to the vatican today, this sets up a conclave of cardinals and elections for a new pope by mid march and the vatican saying we should see a new pope by easter sunday, march 31st. and benedict will not take part in that conclave and has to be said conclaves usually happen when poapst die and the last time a pope resigned was the year 1415. and pope benedict says that poapst should step down when they do
. >> and lord, joseph, roman catholic church, cardinal ratzinger. ratzinger. >> oh, back now to more recent images and it's clear that the pope, vatican leader has taken a toll on him physically and such a incredibly demanding position, he insists that the decision to step down was made without any outside pressure. greg palkot is outside london with the latest. >> reporter: it was a big surprise to a lot of people. pope benedict xvi saying he will step down on february 28th,...
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ratzinger. no word yet on whether he'll get an official title. he announced monday he no longer has the strength to carry out the job. the vatican is confirming the holy father has had a pace maker for several years and in the hospital to have the battery replaces. a conclave to elect a new pope will be held in march. >>> it is 10 minutes after 8:00 now. still ahead, credit report mistakes. it's possible millions of americans should have a better score than they do. coming up, a consumer protection official will join us live to clear up the confusion. delayed home comings? fox 5 morning news will be right back. some folks didn't think that our coffee was their flavor,, it wasn't their cup. if you don't like that dark roast, we've created a coffee for you. blonde is a beautiful, light roasted coffee. kind of mellow, sweet, a little citrusy. for me, personally, i love connecting with people, so blonde roast just gives me a whole nother reason to connect with more custom
ratzinger. no word yet on whether he'll get an official title. he announced monday he no longer has the strength to carry out the job. the vatican is confirming the holy father has had a pace maker for several years and in the hospital to have the battery replaces. a conclave to elect a new pope will be held in march. >>> it is 10 minutes after 8:00 now. still ahead, credit report mistakes. it's possible millions of americans should have a better score than they do. coming up, a...
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ratzinger, and over the function of the vatican, he did such a masterful job that many people believed it propelled him to election as benedict xvi, there won't be those massive public events ahead of the conclave, the public performance during that period becomes much less important than the behind the scenes conversation that will go on as the cardinals of the world begin to gather here in rome. >> there will be speculation about who the current pope favors to be his success sore i imagine. >> benedict made it clear when he he talked about papal resignation in the past, he does not believe it would be appropriate, but people will try to read the tea leaves in terms of what benedict is thinking about this process may be. it should be said, one of the questions over the years, about a resigned pope, precisely this, the potential in the church, where one faction to the church loyal to the new pope and one faction loyal to the old pope, so the extent to which once the successor is named, how benedict can both symbolically and substantively see the passing of the torch, that he is no long
ratzinger, and over the function of the vatican, he did such a masterful job that many people believed it propelled him to election as benedict xvi, there won't be those massive public events ahead of the conclave, the public performance during that period becomes much less important than the behind the scenes conversation that will go on as the cardinals of the world begin to gather here in rome. >> there will be speculation about who the current pope favors to be his success sore i...
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. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the pope desk. where is pat buchanan? hey, somebody call pat buchanan and wake him up. what's up next? >>> well, we're going to talk about the state of the union next. coming up, deputy majority whip congressman tom cole will join us. also former deputy campaign manager for the obama campaign, stephanie cutter will be here to preview the president's state of the union address. and later, we'll talk to nbc news chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. and "new york times" columnist gail collins. and in just a few minutes, sports columnist for the "new york daily news," mike lupica joins the table. he knows it's true. look at him, he looks guilty.
. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the...
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. >> reporter: joseph ratzinger was elected pope benedict xvi in april of 2005. the college of cardinals did not pick an unknown quantity. he was considered one of the catholic church's finest minds. he was the professor watching the back of his star-like predecessor john paul ii, whom he served as a trusted adviser and friend. many expected the severe german cardinal would bring his strict style to the papacy, and in some ways, he has. he reaffirmed the church's strong opposition to abortion, gay marriage, and euthanasia. in his first major ruling as pope, he imposed restrictions on homosexuals becoming priests. in the year following his election, during a trip to germany, pope benedict made perhaps the most controversial remarks of his papacy, addressing a group of scholars. he quoted a byzantine emperor, asserting the prophet muhammad brought things "only evil and inhuman." the comment sparked outrage and protests in many muslim countries. the pope tried to defuse the anger by clarifying the quote did not express his personal views but stopped short at an outr
. >> reporter: joseph ratzinger was elected pope benedict xvi in april of 2005. the college of cardinals did not pick an unknown quantity. he was considered one of the catholic church's finest minds. he was the professor watching the back of his star-like predecessor john paul ii, whom he served as a trusted adviser and friend. many expected the severe german cardinal would bring his strict style to the papacy, and in some ways, he has. he reaffirmed the church's strong opposition to...
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ratzinger es el primer sumo pontífice en dejar el puesto en 600 años, su dimisión obliga a convocar a un cónclave de obispos, y también causa especulaciones en torno a su estado de salud, y también sobre la posible lucha de poderes en la santa sede, con nosotros está vía telefónica el teólogo david Álvarez, buenos días. >>> buenos días, gracias por la invitación. >>> qué significa esta renuncia del líder de la iglesia católica para los fieles alrededor del mundo. >>> no sabemos las implicaciones del papa de renunciar ,porque la última vez que ocurrió las circunstancias no fueron las mejores, fueron muy controversiales, así que, es una cosa sin precedentes, totalmente controversial, así que ls católicos quedarán estupefectos alrededor del mundo. >>> se habla que al parecer porque él mismo siente que no tiene la fortaleza para seguir a cargo de la iglesia católica, pero qué opina usted . >>> el comunicado de el vaticano, es porque la renuncia es por incapacidad mental y física, pero el papa es un intelectual, recientemente acaba de publicar un libro de jesús,
ratzinger es el primer sumo pontífice en dejar el puesto en 600 años, su dimisión obliga a convocar a un cónclave de obispos, y también causa especulaciones en torno a su estado de salud, y también sobre la posible lucha de poderes en la santa sede, con nosotros está vía telefónica el teólogo david Álvarez, buenos días. >>> buenos días, gracias por la invitación. >>> qué significa esta renuncia del líder de la iglesia católica para los fieles alrededor del...
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member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul. >> completely open. >> reporter: what was he like to talk to? >> very -- he would ask me what my interests were and how i felt and how i saw things. >> reporter: and with a sense of humor, like when benedict offered to sign widmer's copy of a book that he written which was pretty thick. >> when i gave it to him he said, you're really reading this? and i said, i'm trying. he said, it helps to do it in small steps. >> reporter: but he also had a personal crisis as a guard, spending his first christmas away from home. john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of
member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul....